During an interview with NewsNation on Thursday, House Speaker Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) noted that then-House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) tied fiscal and spending talks to raising the debt limit in 2019 and refused to pass a clean debt ceiling increase, and that Pelosi, along with President Biden, have opposed past debt ceiling raises without fiscal changes and that Pelosi and Biden did so back when the national debt was lower than it is now.