CHRIS WALLACE, 'FOX NEWS SUNDAY' HOST: Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect noncriminal personal interests to protect against investigations for underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. Mueller says the injury to the justice system is just as great. It doesn't matter whether there was an underlying crime. It's still obstruction. RUDY GIULIANI, TRUMP ATTORNEY: Well, when did Mueller become god? Mueller says the injury to the justice system is still as great -- there was no injury, by the way. We're talking about an inchoate crime. We're talking about something that didn't happen. There was no obstruction. Nothing was denied him. Nobody crushed cell phones like Hillary did. Nobody deleted 33,000 emails like Hillary's people did, and nobody bleached a server like Hillary did. There was no obstruction -- they don't point to a single obstruction and investigation. The one from day one to day end, and they got everything they wanted. WALLACE: Well, that's not true. GIULIANI: Well, they are not entitled to testimony, no prosecutor is. That's not -- WALLACE: That isn't what you said. You said they got everything they wanted. GIULIANI: But they are not entitled to that. (CROSSTALK) WALLACE: That's a different issue. That's a different issue. GIULIANI: Now, we're going to take the perception of innocence, we're going to throw it out because it's Donald Trump. Now, we're going to -- (CROSSTALK) WALLACE: I'm simply saying you said that they got everything they wanted. GIULIANI: Well, you know why he didn't testify before them? Because they were going to trap him into perjury like they did with Flynn. If you think I'm a fool? I would have been disbarred if I let him testify. There were so many indications if they wanted to trap him into perjury because they don't have a case that they were not in good faith. Here's what they did to Flynn. They called Flynn in, they go to his office, they tell me him he doesn't need a lawyer -- WALLACE: I got a minute left. Well, I want to talk about -- I want to talk about Trump. GIULIANI: This isn't worth more that a minute. WALLACE: I want to talk about Trump. GIULIANI: But you have to look -- you have to look at the conduct of the prosecutor. WALLACE: I understand it. GIULIANI: They created as Flynn's crime. WALLACE: There was also the nature -- GIULIANI: They had the answer that they ask him in their briefcase. WALLACE: We're not talking about Flynn. We're talking about the president. GIULIANI: We are talking about Flynn. WALLACE: Here was the nature -- GIULIANI: You are asking what is the president not go stand in front of them and let them try to trap and into perjury? Because he had good lawyers and he's not a fool. WALLACE: OK. GIULIANI: If they were fair people, I would have been there in a minute. What they did to Flynn said to me, they're going to try to do to my client -- WALLACE: Final question. Here was the nature, here was the nature -- GIULIANI: You're treating these people as if they're fair. They're not. That is totally -- it begins with, he's got to prove his innocence. Then we're throwing out -- then we are throwing out the Fifth Amendment. How many more amendments we would like to throw out in Mueller's favor?